The Ventrue cherish history more so than any other clan, believing it to be a worthy guide to live by and to justify their positions of authority today. Lasombra are effectively the opposite. All You Ever Needed To Know About The Lasombra: Each individual vampire of the Lasombra clan probably thinks that s/he—and only s/he—is the best of the clan, and all other ones who might claim otherwise are actually just useless tools. Cookies help us deliver our Services. Before rerunning the experiment, [Lasombra] was visited by his child's playmate, Ontai. The Ventrue clan hierarchy is more rigid and status-oriented. Several thousand years ago, a tribe of proto-Maasai people were ordered by a pale spirit to produce a child for him. Masters of darkness and shadow, and possess a knack for leadership as keen as that of Clan Ventrue. Help comes at a price. The banks call in and force repayment on loans immediately which cannot be repaid, they lose their small business and their home. When they do a thing, they want to make damn sure you know they did it. A few great points in here, that I’d like to support with this mechanical theme: The Lasombra have Potence. If they are able to seize leadership, they inherently deserve it. Presence softened God's curse upon Cainitesin that it makes the vampire become the center of attention. They don't really worry about whether they have the "right" to do so, because they're believers in survival of the fittest. Press J to jump to the feed. Because their weakness is their rage, they are much more vulnerable to frenzy. The Ventrue certainly don't have a monopoly on vampires that desire political power. Dominate also dulls the empathy of the user, and one must take care not to become accustomed to being surrounded by sycophants at all times.Some become incapable of understanding why anyone would not agree with them, follow their commands or do whatever they can to serve them. I think this is pretty well reflected in 'The Crucible of God' (Gehenna sourcebook) where the Lasombra have to basically beg for help from the Ventrue. Lasombra. Many Presence powers can be used upon large groups of peo… While… There's a reason why in V5 you can get a massive social bonus among Ventrue if you can cite your lineage as far back as the 6th Generation and why they have so few Bloodlines or variations of the blood. Available to: Nosferatu; Lasombra. Vampire: The Masquerade - Night Road is adding five new clans as DLC in March, including the Nosferatu, Lasombra, Ravnos, Hecata, and Ministry.. Vampire: The Masquerade - Night Road is an interactive novel, in the same vein as the old Fighting Fantasy/Choose Your Own Adventure books.The player takes on the role of a courier for the undead. The Lasombra are more concerned with Mastery. The Lasombra formed the Sabbat, a religious movement that revers Caine as the judgement of vampirekind. This is not to say that they have any particular obsession with the truth – a myth can be much more powerful than the real thing, after all. Occasi… Lasombra's selection process by contrast is brutal, cruel and very personal. The Lasombra take the mantle of leadership, by force or by guile, whichever works. The prince was a Ventrue if memory serves, although my take was that he was weak one and that the Lasombra were poised for a power grab and coup d'tas. Ventrue are more likely to blood bond and enthrall a clanmate, turning them into a loyal vassal and pillar of support, helping them ascend in Ventrue status. White Wolf Wiki is a FANDOM Games Community. In order to succeed in such a cuthroat culture the Lasombra will use any tool at their disposal and any method they can to achieve victory, hence why none of their In-Clan Disciplines are subtle, they are all about crushing anything before you. There are a lot of really high-minded responses here, and they're all really cool and accurate. At an individual level, the lines blur much more, of course. It is two, very distinct and rather incompatible styles of leadership. HOwever I do think Lasombra sabbat defectors would go to the Anarchs. Sometimes it just feels like a sanitized, sterile, vacuum-wrapped version of the oWoD - the oWoD minus the fine-grained "cool" of playing weird but entertaining shit like Lasombra vs Ventrue or Toreador vs Nosferatu or Brujah vs Brujah. Either be fascinating, seducing, or intimidating those in close vicinity. The Lasombra have the protection of the tower and now they plan to rise to the top and replace the hated Ventrue from within the system they created. The Ventrue state that their Clan founder Ventru was the first of the Third Generation of vampires, and that when Caine left the First City, he entrusted its stewardship to their progenitor. Options for the majority. I always find it weird that people focus on the shadow tendrils, and ignore the fact that literally any and every shadow can be listening to you at all times, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the WhiteWolfRPG community. If you are not eating the little fish in the pond, you will eventually be eaten. They state that after the fall of the First City their founder, whose true name has been lost to time but is most commonly simply referred to as Lasombra, made his way to Eastern Africa where he Embraced the first of his Childer, the vampire who would come to be known as Montano. A community for fans of White Wolf's roleplaying games, notably the World of Darkness (Vampire: The Masquerade, Werewolf: The Apocalypse, Mage: The Ascension, etc. The Lasombra are into Mastery. They reign because they have the power to make you kneel. The Lasombra even attempting to join the Camarilla flies in the face of a lot of the logic and lore previously defined by the setting. A Lasombra is physically strong, uses darkness as a weapon and controls other's minds. Lasombra find someone who is driven, ambitious and successful and then they systematically dismantle every cornerstone of their life. Unlike Ventrue the Lasombra do not chastise their own for abusing Disciplines, they are there for a reason don't politely ask a ghoul or mortal when you can crush their will with Dominate. Also notice the Ventrue is basically masquerade safe. To be Ventrue is to believe that you are superior by right of your blood. Lasombra rule through fear, intimidation, and dominance.Ventrue rule through tradition, convention, and connections. It's a threefold humiliation. Why bother maneuvering around an obstacle when you can just push through it with Potence? Fortunately they seem to turn as much of their skillful manipulation inward as they do out. Ventrue recruit from leaders, people who have shown themself in life to be strong, capable, team players. You know that one where Kindred existence was exposed to the mortal population. In a nice, succinct way, this summarizes the philosophical differences between them. It's minor difference in philosophy. In Garou terms: Ventrue are Silver Fangs, Lasombra are Shadow Lords. Their displays of power have many qualities, but 'supernatural' is often one of them. I love the Lasombra as a clan, but my Lasombra always have a healthy respect for the Ventrue. But as a clan, the Ventrue will destroy your world with one phone call and go back to empire building, sacrificing pawns to keep the Lasombra busy until the Ventrue are ready to deal with them. Everyone has a rank, and everyone knows how their rank relates to their clanmates. 2 … Lasombra are expected to constantly strive for higher authority and prestige within and outside the clan through their own actions.Ventrue are expected to know their place in the order of things, to only ascend or descend according to their dignitas. The Lasombra will represent Iberian interest, the Ventrue and Malks Rome and the Giovanni will be all about Venice. Magick Rules: M20 or straight up MtSC? This means a Ventrue can destroy your life with a phone call but a Lasombra can't even use a phone. To tl;dr it. The Lasombra is quite the opposite. The Ventrue are one of seven playable clans in Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines. Lastly, Lasombra are into diablerie of clanmates to such a degree that it's a codified system, the Courts of Blood. The ruling class, the nobility, aristocracy, company CEOs, wealthy individuals, politicians – it's these people that make up the Ventrue clan. Anyways the majority of the Lasombra will probably stay in the Sabbat. A Ventrue is tough to kill, charming and domineering. That is the ethic of succor. They want Control. There's a reason why one Clan tends to worship its Antideluvian and form cults around its Metheuselahs and other devours them. The only downside to this mentality is that Lasombra don't wield institutional power like the Venture, you might notice in the last paragraph I said the Lasombra see everything as tool or enemy, ally isn't in their Clan vocabulary. Toreadors are the most seductive of vampires. After centuries of despising weakness, they end up being too weak to survive on their own due to the paucity of them. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. There is a slight supremacist bend to the Ventrue, they believe that they are the purest blood and the strongest and their right rule comes from their bloodline. After milennia of laughing at the Ventrue's pretensions to leadership; it's they that the Lasombra have to beg for help from. They want to walk through a room and have everyone immediately defer to them. If they did consume blood besides that they will receive no nourishment (or blood points) from it and/or vomit it up. The difference between the two at a clan-level is one of priorities and style. But even the weakest Ventrue has a chance to grow strong again, to return favors owed, and give back to the clan. Since I own several first edition Clanbooks I thought it would be nice to start with a discussion of the main differences between the first edition Clanbooks and the Revised line. And when they want to get something done, they don't necessarily care about how it gets done - only that they get what they want. or dead. Mastery (Lasombra) versus Control (Ventrue). For Ventrue the strong rule the weak but to Lasombra the strong eat the weak. Chains of command or the white man's burden or whatever you want to call it. They can use their entire skillset and blend well. 1 Camarilla 2 Anarchs 3 Sabbat 4 Kuei-Jin 5 Hunters 6 Nosferatu from Hollywood 7 Giovanni 8 Brotherhood of the 9th Circle 9 Thin-Blood 10 Independents 11 Ghouls 12 Los Angeles Police Department 13 Russian Mob 14 Tong 15 Friendly Humans 16 Hostile Humans 17 Other Characters 18 Minor Characters Main Article: Minor Characters. A Lasombra keeps his domain in check by his own personal might but a Ventrue keeps his domain in check through a network of favors, blood bonded ghouls, and shell corporations. Lasombra / Ventrue carbon skin By 3Dell, I hope you enjoy! Take your favorite fandoms with you and never miss a beat. Lasombra's selection process by contrast is brutal, cruel and very personal. Lasombra are closely associated with Spain, Sicily, and Latin America.Ventrue are closely associated with Western and Central Europe. If a Ventrue asks another Ventrue for help, it must be provided. Vampire: The Masquerade is a tabletop role-playing game (tabletop RPG) created by Mark Rein-Hagen and released in 1991 by White Wolf Publishing as the first of several Storyteller System games for its World of Darkness setting line. Rumours spread that they murdered their spouse for the insurance, and suddenly they're isolated and hated. The Lasombra Antitribu (although i think they were just called Lasombra) wielded a remarkable amount of power in the Blood Sister's Ravenwood chronicle. It's not quite as organized as the Tremere Pyramid, but it's close. I do not own anything..All credit goes to 3Dell :) this player skin is for Lasombra (Antitribu Mod) & Ventrue Only :) More than anything, it's a business decision. The Lasombra are masters of intrigue and policy, as we are. To the Ventrue they don't even have a Clan bane, they simply have refined pallets. Adding 7 new clans with over 10 new Disciplines that use completely new mechanics previously deemed impossible, such as shapeshifting into monstrous forms, summoning deadly creatures to aid you and manipulate your surrounding in ways that change the very dynamic of the game. Fortunately when you're obsessed with victory and survival pride has little use. 25 CLANBOOK VENTRUE REVISED OF VAMPIRE I KNOW THAT THE VENTRUE ARE THE EPITOME OF WHAT THE CAMARILLA ARE ABOUT BUT I THINK THIS BOOK WOULD HAVE BEEN HUGELY ENHANCED BY TALKING ABOUT THE VENTRUE ANTITRIBU VENYRUE''v20 vs classic clanbooks vtm December 7th, 2019 - so out of curiosity how do you guys use v20 vs classic i ), Exalted, and Chronicles of Darkness (Vampire: The Requiem, Werewolf: The Forsaken, Mage: The Awakening, etc.). A roof held up by strong pillars will hold well until one lets go, but a roof held up by a thousand weak pillars may suffer the loss of a hundred and not be affected. They're put on trial with flimsy evidence, but this only inflamed peoples anger - of course they did it, see they're on trial right now! Ventrue philsophy is grounded in the concept of nobelise oblige, that while the nobility are superior they also have more responsibilities than the common folk. If you are not strong, you are food. As for the Tzimisce nope most stay in the Sabbat. He dwelled upon an island, some said, or in the depths of the wine-dark sea, rising from time to time to hunt and to guide his worshippers. Weakness is exploited, no doubt. Vampire: The Masquerade 20th Anniversary Edition, Libellus Sanguinis 1: Masters of the State, Vampire Twentieth Anniversary Edition: The Dark Ages, https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Lasombra?oldid=274873, Our clan has a long heritage of leadership in a very primal and pure sense. Don't even bother trying to be loved, a ruler whose subjects live in constant abject fear of him is a safe ruler. They love art, beauty and those humans that are able to create it. If anyone else has anything to add, t'would be greatly appreciated... Disclaimer: Ventrue are by far my favorite clan. This claim has, however, allowed the Ventrue to assert a certain dominance over the other Clans: as Cai… vs "You're going to remember my name." But if you manage to pull yourself out of the pit the prospective sire threw you in, achieve real, tangible success then one night soon you'll get yourself an offer for immortality. From there, he assumed command over the pirate people of the Hyksos, directing them against the civilizations populated by his brothers' progeny. What separates Ventrue and Lasombra is a philosophy. The Ventrue seek to lead, the Lasombra to dominate. It is wasted in the weak, so it should be given to those that are strong via sanction led diablerie. Their Clan are a bunch of crabs in a pot each struggling to reach the top of the pile. If we're looking for a real world analogue, it'd be like ISIS suddenly wanting to join the US Republican party. You are aware that a great deal of the Ventrue history with Clan Lasombra is reactionary and their enmity has been exaggerated in the past due to the influence of the Anarch Revolt and the formation of the Sabbat. In practise, though, this distinction really doesn't amount to much at all. Lasombra take everything from you, they try to ruin your life in the way that only an ancient supernatural master manipulator could, to push you to the edge. The Ventrue pay lip service to the ideals of chivalry and European nobility, but they are just as vicious and vindictive as any Lasombra. They rule because they have the fortitude (no pun intended) and social clout to do so. They're twin clans in many ways. I would love to read this sort of write up for each clan. Basically, if you feel that you can show another Lasombra is too weak or is failing too badly, you can receive dispensation from the elders to try and reclaim the blood. Indeed, many see the Ventrue and Lasombra as twisted reflections of one another. This is the first of several reviews of revised Clanbooks — later I'll discuss both Clanbook: Lasombra (Revised) and Clanbook: Tzimisce (Revised).To set the stage, here is Clanbook: Ventrue (Revised). I'll jot down a few points, but all in all the general theme that tells Lasombra and Ventrue apart is how they approach their authority. There's a reason why one Clan tends towards arrogance and the other ruthlessness. The Sabbat (Led by Lasombra) is just a shadow of the Camarilla (Essentially created by Hardestadt... a Ventrue...). Ventrue want to be the king, the one on the throne, the one sitting at the head of the table. Then they watch what you do. More than anything, it's a business decision. The Brujah are one of the seven playable clans in Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines. Just like real-world groups, there's a lot of cross-over. They ruled in life, and they rule in undeath as well. The Ventrue, however, have a sort of noblesse oblige about them. The Ventrue rule because they are meant to rule, per their philosophy. Ventrue have the weakness of needing to feed upon specific kinds of blood, like that of virgins, senators, children, or whatever fills their palate, and only that kind of blood. You have whole fealty chains of lieges who have sworn vassals, who may themselves have their own vassals (and probably a lot of blood bonds). The experiment failed. Ventrue and Lasombra have pretensions of being the leaders of the Kindred. Ventrue recruit from leaders, people who have shown themself in life to be strong, capable, team players. Someone that will benefit both the name of Ventrue and the sire themself. If it breaks you, or if you flail and are barely treading water - you're not worthy. This is why, on an individual basis, Lasombra are terrifying, where a Ventrue might be scary it is as nothing to most Lasombra. Both of them believe they have the right to rule, and despise the other for challenging that authority. This discipline is fairly common among vampires, especially within the Camarilla, both because of its versatility and because of its subtlety. Whatever they do, they want to be the best at. Lasombra found power through the Church.Ventrue found power through the Aristocracy. This is a Clan where the neonates would go on to found the Anarch Revolt and then devour their elders and even, if you believe the rumors, their own Antideluvian. The Brujah have a reputation as fierce warriors; their affinity for war is carried in their blood. After the fall of the Second City, [Lasombra] returned to the sea, eventually settling on an island in the Mediterranean (which one is not certain, the most likely being Malta). Physically, mentally or with tentacles of shadow holding you down. This is why the Ventrue have been so successful in the modern nights while the Lasombra have had to scramble with tails between their legs to the Camarilla just to survive. When i think that Lasombra are cool, i always remember one of that Gehenna scenarios where they had to bow knee to Ventrue clan. The most anticipated expansion and modification of the cult classic "Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines". We do not soil ourselves with the. "Don't you know who I am?" You will fear a single Lasombra, but the whole of clan Ventrue should terrify you. The first five clans provide a wide enough spread to cover many different playstyles in Bloodlines 2. The Ventrue have Fortitude. Lasombra rewards ambition and drive.Ventrue rewards loyalty and skill. For the purposes of this exercise you may view the tenuous rivalry between the Ventrue and the Lasombra as a game of chess, in which there are as many black pawns as their are white. As with all tales of the early days of the Kindred, those of the Lasombra must be taken with a grain of salt. This would prove to have major repercussions fo… This is perfectly shown in their tradition of the Night Courts, or court of blood. As with most stories from this period, it is difficult to separate fact from fiction, and whether this is what actually happened is anybody’s guess. Este libro es bueno, pero no llega a ser tan bueno como por ejemplo el del Clan Ventrue o la hermosa novela del Clan Setita; aunque no falta la acción, de eso hay bastante. Plus with Camarilla elders declaring modern communication technology a threat to the Masquerade the Ventrue are now on equal footing technology-wise with the Lasombra. They believe wholeheartedly that the Ventrue are born to be kings and presidents, and therefore see them taking that position as the natural right of things. For the extremely simplified break-down, just look at their In-Clan Disciplines. That's not to say that merit is irrelevant to the Clan, the Ventrue only Embrace those who have made something of themselves in mortal life, but to a Ventrue who you come from, who Embraced you, is more important than what you accomplished. Regular users of Presence find themselves attracting beneficial attention easily, sometimes activating the discipline without conscious efforts. There are a number of key differences, the way I've personally always seen it as that the Lasombra are literally the shadow of the Ventrue. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. But they take history very seriously, a fact that is no doubt aided by their tale being one of conquests and grand achievements the likes of which few other clans … As appropriate to their nature they see only black and white: tool or enemy, strong and weak. When the Ventrue formed the Camarilla they formed a completely secular society that dismissed Caine and the Antidelluvians as myths. Ventrue, The Night Clan, Abyss Mystics, Keepers, Magisters, Shadows, Traitors, Turncoats. They reflect each other and have been in a constant rivalry over ruling the Kindred since Rome. I would highly suggest to not buy level 4 of this ability, as it can hurt allies and unfortunately make them your enemies or aggro some animals you don't want to fight right now. While Ventrue can and will throw each other to the wolves, instead of diablerie their tradition is that of succor. Lasombra are social darwinists carried to the extreme. I agree, and will attempt to summarize as effectively as possible. Also at level 4 it gives small knocback/explosion to your melle hits. They'll take every beating you dish out and will still come out stronger for it. Resistance to Ventrue rule is a defiance of the natural order. In their obsession with "Darwinism" they lacked numbers, influence and solid structure not to mentioning allies to fight off humans. Not so with the Lasombra. Their loving partner falls overboard on their honeymoon cruise and dies. This child was trained to lead by having every member of the tribe obey him, and he was trained to be loyal by extensive gifts and rewards from the Lasombra Antediluvian. Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines 2 is an upcoming action role-playing video game developed by Hardsuit Labs and published by Paradox Interactive.A sequel to Vampire: The Masquerade – Bloodlines (2004), the game is part of the World of Darkness series and based on the tabletop role-playing game Vampire: The Masquerade. 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